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Bruce
01-18-2004, 10:38 PM
The knock sensor has a chip of material in it similiar to quartz. Yep, just a type of rock, in simple terms. It's neat property is that, as you squeeze it, it generates a little electrical pulse. If you design the holder correctly, then you can in effect rattle it in such a way that it gets squeezed, and gives off that voltage. Now, if your looking for a rattle at a particular frequency, you can design a filter to look for that specific tone.

The sudden pressure rise that occurs with detonation, takes and rattles the piston in the bore. That *rattling* sound of detonation is in fact something rattling.

The only down side to all of this, is that it's frequency sensitive. So any noise of the right frequency can set it off. **OR** if you do something to alter the sound generated. Too much fuel, and or too much timing, can alter the frequency *just* enough *sometimes* that you'll do the damage without triggering the Sensor.

The other problem is that preignition can be silent, and the Knoc sensor can miss that all together.

While the Knock Sensor is pretty well designed and does a good job on a stocker as you raise the HP level you need to develope the other tuning skills so as to not totally rely on the Knock Sensor as being your only way of seeing your motor is detonating.

Welcome to the world of plug reading........

TurboPete
01-19-2004, 07:12 PM
Would the term "piezo" be incorrect, or is it just a similar principal?

Bruce
01-19-2004, 08:12 PM
Would the term "piezo" be incorrect, or is it just a similar principal?

It would be the correct term.
We're starting off with the basics, so hopefully people will be able to kind of follow along as we develope the threads, starting with the simpler principles, names, abbreviations, etc..

OriginalHO
01-26-2004, 12:20 PM
I'm investigating using the Buick turbo V-6 or Pontiac 301 Turbo knock sensor for my TurboFORCE Revival Project. This is a blow thru the Quadrajet arrangement that was packaged for the Pontiac V-8 in Gen-2 Firebirds. I designed and sold this package in 1977-79. See

TurboFORCE Revival Project (http://wallaceracing.com/TurboForce.html)

At that time, I used a Corvair turbo vacuum advance & boost retard can adapted to the HEI distributor. That was only grossly effective and of course knew nothing about knock.

Some investigation on the web indicates that I might be able to adapt the "DR-562" knock sensor, non-CCC ECS module to both the Pontiac V-8 and HEI distributor. Before I head down to the local auto parts store, I'd appreciate any and all feedback on adapting the Buick V-6 or 301T V-8 ESC to non-computer V-8s.

HairDrier
01-26-2004, 03:47 PM
Craig have you seen this website?

http://home.flash.net/~rjgeorge/

OriginalHO
01-26-2004, 06:33 PM
Craig have you seen this website?

http://home.flash.net/~rjgeorge/

Yes, that's how I found t6p.com, but I haven't had a chance to excavate all the info yet.