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[65cpe]

New to FAST system and a few questions,

1. If you were transplant a gn motor would the fast system replace the stock wiring (ie fuel injector harness, sensor wiring, and others) or do you still need tap into a stock wiring harness?

2. What is the price of a complete system of a bank to bank and seq.?

3. What options do you recommend?

Thanks

[JCotton]

New to FAST system and a few questions,

1. If you were transplant a gn motor would the fast system replace the stock wiring (ie fuel injector harness, sensor wiring, and others) or do you still need tap into a stock wiring harness?

2. What is the price of a complete system of a bank to bank and seq.?

3. What options do you recommend?

Thanks

1. you could order it with the race harness, that gets a little tricky or you could use the existing stock harness and use one of our jumper harnesses. Either way will work, the latter being the easiest route. Another option would be having John Spina at Caspers make us a custom harness to fit your needs, thats the best way, cost around $600-700.00.

2. the price will vary depending on which box you go with, B2B, SEFI, or XFI. Normally I sell the B2B with a jumper harness, including the WBO2, software, com cable all the wiring needed to easily hook up as well as a good starter program to get you running and support for around 1800.00 add about another $100 for SEFI. XFI will run you around $2,000.

3. As for options, we'd need more info as to what you are running, combo, car, type of driving, racing, etc..

[65cpe]

I appreciate the info.

As for options, we'd need more info as to what you are running, combo, car, type of driving, racing, etc..


Engine is a Ta Block off-center, 3.625 billet crank, 6.3 rods, je 3.9 pistons, 224/224 hdy roller, ta heads, stock match ported intake, atr headers. Have not decieded on injectors or turbo yet. Tranny will be 200r4 with lockup converter. Stall will depend on turbo. Putting it in a 65 corvette, stock frame with a little support added and 6 point rollbar. Will be keeping the Independent rear suspension but it will us 12 bolt inners, different ujoints, carbonfiber or alum. driveshaft and half shafts. Trying to keep the wieght to 2700 or less. My goal is 750 hp with a 200-300 shot of nitrous when needed :SHOCKED: . I currently have a wiring harness from casper for the stock ecm. Car is going to be daily driver 90%, will take to the track (quarter & roadracing) 5-10 a summer, Power tour trip and car shows.
I have been burning chips for a few years, not quite a JayC, Joe Lubrant, or Eric but I burn for a few here in NM.
My thought are to stay with the stock ecm, use a wide band o2, and use 60lb injectors. My nitrous system will be a Noszle wet system since I am use to them.
But I was wondering if the tuning would be easier with the fast system. Things I know are, it can control the nitrous system and can change using laptop instead of change chip.
Another questions is with dfi can you use a handheld palm or similiar device to program the dfi? My thoughts were to mount the handheld in the dash or console as to monitor and my adjustments all the time.

I quess it might be better to call you sometime but guess other might be wondering the same thing.


Thanks

[JayC]

Youre really overcomplicating things. Unless you have the urge to constantly mess with your program (Which for some reason Buick people tend to have) then I wouldnt worry about palm based tuning.

I've tuned 1000+ horsepower cars that need the map changed maybe 4 times a year. Once it's right, it's pretty much right.

With your combination, I'd can the nitrous and just buy a big enough turbo to get the job done. If you have the heads done by a good head porter you should be able to make all the horsepower you need.

[65cpe]

I was thinking the palm more scanning, taking the place of direct scan but having the ability to tune when needed. Thats why I need more info to compare it to a thumbwheel vs the dfi.

Since it is going to be a daily driver I did not want to go to big on the turbo, my thoughts was a gt6776 so it would have good street mannerism and the nitrous to boost hp when taken to the track. I figured I would need to large of a turbo to get 850-1000 and be a daily driver.

As for head porting Nick Micale (or should I say Mike) is handling the porting. I did not want to go to wild as to need a vacum pump, again street driven and would like to keep it as clean as possible. Trying to have my cake and eat it too. :essen:

What do you recommend for injectors & turbo to produce 750 hp with my current setup. If 60lbs injectors will get the job done. then maybe the stock ecm might be best. I can program a thumbwheel, I have a new casper wiring harness for stock ecm already, and can use a laptop for scanning.

I will be running two seperate pumps in one tank, one for fuel injection and one for nitrous. Definitely plan on running nitrous. I know many don't like it but I have used it since 1987 on ever GN I haved owned (5) and have had excellent results. Of course I will start conservatively and increase slowly. I have blown headgaskets twice but both times it was my fault. To greedy first time (125 shot of strip chip on a completely stock engine) and listen to bad advice on drilling out funnel jets from NOS.

I really appreciate the advise and hope to make some of the meets next summer with my little hybrid.

Chuck

[JayC]

Id probably go to the 84s and a FAST or a Gen 7.

If you chose the right cam, you shouldnt need a vacuum pump. Dont scrimp on the heads, tho.. thats where the power is.

[JCotton]

I appreciate the info.

As for options, we'd need more info as to what you are running, combo, car, type of driving, racing, etc..


Engine is a Ta Block off-center, 3.625 billet crank, 6.3 rods, je 3.9 pistons, 224/224 hdy roller, ta heads, stock match ported intake, atr headers. Have not decieded on injectors or turbo yet. Tranny will be 200r4 with lockup converter. Stall will depend on turbo. Putting it in a 65 corvette, stock frame with a little support added and 6 point rollbar. Will be keeping the Independent rear suspension but it will us 12 bolt inners, different ujoints, carbonfiber or alum. driveshaft and half shafts. Trying to keep the wieght to 2700 or less. My goal is 750 hp with a 200-300 shot of nitrous when needed :SHOCKED: . I currently have a wiring harness from casper for the stock ecm. Car is going to be daily driver 90%, will take to the track (quarter & roadracing) 5-10 a summer, Power tour trip and car shows.
I have been burning chips for a few years, not quite a JayC, Joe Lubrant, or Eric but I burn for a few here in NM.
My thought are to stay with the stock ecm, use a wide band o2, and use 60lb injectors. My nitrous system will be a Noszle wet system since I am use to them.
But I was wondering if the tuning would be easier with the fast system. Things I know are, it can control the nitrous system and can change using laptop instead of change chip.
Another questions is with dfi can you use a handheld palm or similiar device to program the dfi? My thoughts were to mount the handheld in the dash or console as to monitor and my adjustments all the time.

I quess it might be better to call you sometime but guess other might be wondering the same thing.


Thanks

65,


Sounds like a pretty kewl combo you are putting together. I bought a 65 vette back in 1971, had a blast with it, wish I still had it, but at 18 years old, I tended to be a little stupid with it......looks like you are building a car I would love to do myself. As for the turbo, I would recommend a 66 or 70 Ball Bearing turbo, that will give you all you can handle on the street, kick in the Nitrous and I think I'd be scared...... As for the engine management, i think the XFI by FAST would be a great choice, very simple to work with, pretty much infinite adjustment to get you tuned in and very easy to work with. I supply a very good starter program and will work with you to learn and dial in the program. For injector, I think I would recommend the 83lbers, also easy to dial in and you should have the extra fuel for safety sake.
As for the handheld, not sure, but I believe that will work fine, I'll check on it. Once the program is set up, very little adjustments, if any will be necessary. It is a good idea to have the ability to monitor parameters though if you can. The FAST has data logging ability so having the laptop in makes that possible, plus it sounds like it'll look kewl to have the added screen in the compartment.
If you have more questions, have at it, or you can call me at the shop anytime as well.

One more thing, with big CI, you could easily run a larger turbo....... :rock:

[Joe Lubrant]

Youre really overcomplicating things. Unless you have the urge to constantly mess with your program (Which for some reason Buick people tend to have) then I wouldnt worry about palm based tuning.

I've tuned 1000+ horsepower cars that need the map changed maybe 4 times a year. Once it's right, it's pretty much right.

With your combination, I'd can the nitrous and just buy a big enough turbo to get the job done. If you have the heads done by a good head porter you should be able to make all the horsepower you need.


I agree with JayC........loose the NOS, don't need it. Keep your combo simple & reliable.

I would go with a larger turbo....probably a 76mm. It will get you very close to your 1k hp goal. No spooling issues at all should be evident.

NOS is great....but I know from experience...it can...and will give you problems. Switch problems, solenoid problems, clogged filter, bad bottle fill, etc. etc. Of course that leads to some engine damage or worse. Been there done that.

With the Cubic Inches of your combo, a larger turbo to meet your goal is the best way to go.

As a bonus you don't have to worry about paying extra $$ for constant bottle fills or worrying about if your second pump or relay is going to work when you hit the NOS. "Bang"