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turbo2nr
06-14-2005, 05:23 AM
Help out an idiot here. What would be needed to make a stage I motor, other than the block. Will all OEM parts work with the block? No, I'm not using stock parts, just wondering. J. Cottton is selling me a stage I block (never used) and a BMS crank. I was just wondering what other special parts are needed. Just trying to get a plan together as far as $$ and time. We will be using new Oliver rods, and ?? new pistons, GN1 heads and the new Champion intake.
Will my front cover fit, same cams fit?, lifters? I should buy better balancer and flexplate?, OEM oil pan fits?, will all accessories fit on an ***-center stage I block?


Thanks.
turbo2nr
06-14-2005, 05:25 AM
Can someone tell me why ***-center is blocked out?? Is "***" a bad word now? Where have I been?
turbo2nr
06-14-2005, 05:26 AM
WHAT? It did it again! Let me try this:

***
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O-F-F-Center block
turbo2nr
06-14-2005, 05:27 AM
OK, I guess O-F-F is now a curse word. I better be careful when I talk to people now.??
EightSecV6
06-14-2005, 06:38 AM
Well **rything that f**s a s*ock bl**k will fit a **age1 or anything that fits a stage 2 *** center will fit too in***ding all brackets and the intake ma***old. :sleep:
jmidolo
06-14-2005, 09:26 AM
Looks like a hiccup. It should be fixed now. Billy's repsonse looks like a word jumble! :)
STP
06-14-2005, 09:37 AM
I think what Billy was trying to say is "yes, everything will work." I would put a sfi flexplate and a BMS balancer on it. You'll need a 14 bolt oil pan, not a 20.
JayC
06-14-2005, 10:02 AM
Let me take a look and see what the problem is with o-f-f.. Looks like someone has been playing with the censored words list.
JayC
06-14-2005, 10:03 AM
off off off

arf arf arf
turbo2nr
06-14-2005, 12:07 PM
Thanks guys.
Ted A.
06-17-2005, 08:57 PM
Note, the lifter bores on S1 blocks are the same as production blocks. You need to be carefull when using solid rollers.

Only 14 bolt pans fit.
turbo2nr
06-18-2005, 05:03 AM
Well OK. I heard Cotton had a valve train issue at the Nationals. He was running solid roller on a Stage I. Tell me why it's not a good idea. I bought a Comp hyd. roller set-up.
JCotton
06-18-2005, 06:10 AM
Scott,

I had a minor problem, pulled one of the mounting bolts for the rocker stand, just happened to be the worst one that it could happen to. #1 bolt on the end of the head, I pulled the threads out of the head, and the whole assembly began to lift away from the head causing #1 cylinder rockers to have excessive valve lash. Actually, it was very loud valve train noise, sounding worse than it was, lost #1 cyl. making my last pass against Chris L. on 5 cyl. I could only muster a 9.17@150, In the finals, with Otto, me and JoeL. left, I decided to concede to Joe, since I didn't know, at the time, exactly what the problem was.......... and my block is a stage 2 on-center block.

As for your Stage 1 motor, BHJ balancer, JW flywheel, Oliver rods, Diamond pistons, and a 14 bolt alum. pan are what we talked about. We'll probably change the cam, since the original combo when you purchased the cam was for a stock block with a little different HP goal in mind.....
straycat990
06-18-2005, 07:47 AM
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straycat990
06-18-2005, 07:53 AM
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Ted A.
06-18-2005, 02:22 PM
The pans Jack sells are nice peices. I have one on my S2 on-center engine.
turbo2nr
06-18-2005, 04:52 PM
As for your Stage 1 motor, BHJ balancer, JW flywheel, Oliver rods, Diamond pistons, and a 14 bolt alum. pan are what we talked about. We'll probably change the cam, since the original combo when you purchased the cam was for a stock block with a little different HP goal in mind.....[/QUOTE]


Thanks Jack. Great working with you. I don't know if I can afford to "race" a class next year. I don't know if I really could use the GN1R heads. Whats the big advantage compaired to race ported "regular" GN1 heads? Just a little or big difference? Could GN1R be used for a little street use?
straycat990
06-18-2005, 07:43 PM
As for your Stage 1 motor, BHJ balancer, JW flywheel, Oliver rods, Diamond pistons, and a 14 bolt alum. pan are what we talked about. We'll probably change the cam, since the original combo when you purchased the cam was for a stock block with a little different HP goal in mind....


Thanks Jack. Great working with you. I don't know if I can afford to "race" a class next year. I don't know if I really could use the GN1R heads. Whats the big advantage compaired to race ported "regular" GN1 heads? Just a little or big difference? Could GN1R be used for a little street use?

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JCotton
06-19-2005, 06:18 AM
David,

Yes, it has the pickup for the oil for an external pump, prices start at $650. Thanks Ted......

Scott, the heads you have now will work fine, I don't see any benefit in using the R's for your combo. I think you will fit into the TSE class just fine and be more than competitive once we get the whole package together.
turbo2nr
06-19-2005, 07:12 AM
I'll stick to the plan. Always a "next time".

Is the Champion intake OK in TSE??
Louie L
06-20-2005, 09:08 AM
I'll stick to the plan. Always a "next time".

Is the Champion intake OK in TSE??



Not under the current rules. Stock intake only.
turbo2nr
06-20-2005, 11:20 AM
Thats what I thought. Any word on 2006 rules?
JCotton
06-20-2005, 01:05 PM
I'll stick to the plan. Always a "next time".

Is the Champion intake OK in TSE??

Scott,

According to my conversation with Nick Mc. they should be legal this year coming. As soon as the rules discussion begin, in the next month, I am sure we will get that addressed immediately.
turbo2nr
06-20-2005, 06:39 PM
I would like to yell and scream to get them on the "OK list", but I really do not Nick.