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mgmshar
02-14-2004, 07:44 PM
RAMCHARGERS DUAL FAN INSTALLATION
NO MODIFICATIONS TO VEHICLE REQUIRED


When I received my Ramchargers dual fans for my Grand National, my goal was to install them with no modifications to my car (no new drilled holes, etc.). Using the methods and bracket designs below, I was successful. It took me considerable time and patience to get everything right, but the results are worth it.


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Here is the Ramchargers Dual Fan set-up. You can see that I've removed three of the four mounting tabs (all except the driver-side upper) prior to installing. I used a Dremel tool with a cutting bit followed by a sanding drum to cut-off the ears and smooth out the cut surfaces. You can leave the driver-side upper ear in place, as it does not interfere with anything.


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This photo shows the grinding that had to be done to the driver-side lower fan motor support to clear the steering gear box. I used a Dremel tool with a sanding drum to do this. Even with this much material removed, the support still comes very close to the steering gear box. You can also see one of the two holes I had to drill into the fan shroud for mounting. I used a 3/8" wood "paddle" bit to drill the holes in the shroud, which worked very well.


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Here is a photo of the fans after the installation was complete. I have a Nick Micale radiator in my car, and I found that the fan shroud was about 1/8" too long to fit between the radiator tanks. I did not want to grind that much material off the fan shroud, so I used an alternate method. I placed weatherstripping (specifically, hood seal weatherstripping that I got from a junk yard) along the top and bottom edges of the fan shroud. I then sized my brackets to hold the shroud tight against the lips of the end tanks. I also placed a small piece of grey foam weatherstripping (purchased at a hardware store) between the shroud and the end tank lips to prevent rattling. Using this approach, the fans clear my CAS V2 intercooler pipes and the steering gear box, although not by much.


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Here is a photo of the two top brackets that I made. This photo was taken prior to re-installing the two A/C line brackets that fit over these studs. I purchased two 1/8" thick "L" brackets from a hardware store (used to mount shelves) and cut to length with my trusty hack saw. I then used a large vice and lots of muscle power to add the second bend to give the brackets their "S" shape. A little clean-up on the bench grinder and some satin black spray paint give the brackets a very stock look. Note that it took a lot of trial-and-error to get the exact shape of the brackets correct. Also note that I had to remove the little clip that holds the wiring harness near the driver side bracket, as it was right in the spot where the bracket goes. You can also see the weatherstripping along the top edge of the fan shroud which seals the fans tightly to the radiator core. I chose to use a large round washer under the studs when I mounted the brackets for extra rigidity. These brackets are very rigid, and hold the fan very tightly to the radiator.


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This is the passenger-side lower fan bracket that I made. I started with a 1/8" thick piece of steel, cut to length with a hack saw, and then used a vice and some muscle power to give it the slight "S" shape that you can see in the photo. A little clean-up on the bench grinder and some satin black paint gave it the final touches. I chose to use the existing hole in the lower radiator support to attach the bracket, so I did not have to drill a new hole. When I bent this bracket, I had the upper brackets complete and installed, along with the weatherstripping, so I could get the length and shape of both lower brackets exactly right. I then drilled the holes in the lower brackets, fitted them up, and marked the holes to be drilled in the fan shroud while the upper brackets were fully installed. In other words, I had all of the brackets completely done (including drilled holes) and installed before I marked the holes on the fan shroud. By doing this, I was sure that the holes in the fan shroud would be in the right place. You can also see the weatherstripping that I used to seal the bottom of the fan shroud to the radiator core in this photo.



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This is the driver-side lower bracket. As with the passenger-side, I used 1/8" thick steel. This was the most difficult bracket to make, because I had to put a "compound angle" into it to reach from the existing hole in the lower radiator support to a good location on the fan shroud. I started by cutting the steel to length (note the angle cut on the top of the bracket to clear the shroud protrusion around the blades), shaped on my bench grinder, and used trial-and-error to get the bends right. I then drilled the holes in the bracket. After fitting-up all of the other brackets, I marked the hole on the fan shroud. When I was done, all of the brackets and holes lined-up perfectly, and the fan is held very tightly to the radiator.

1QUICK85
02-16-2004, 03:40 PM
That is a nice install. Because of my car having the smaller radiator, I had to chop my Ramcharger Fans up a little to make them fit. I was wondering though is weather stripping a must do thing? I havent noticed a problem with mine YET?

Damn good info man, Nick.

mgmshar
02-16-2004, 07:01 PM
For these fans, it's probably not "necessary", but it's helpful. When the fans are running, and the vehicle is stopped, you want the fans to suck as much air as possible through the radiator. Any gap between the fan shroud and the radiator core is a path that air can easily get into the fans without first going through the core.

In my case, I wanted everything to be optimal. A $5.00 hood weatherstripping off a mid-80's GM car, cut to proper length, worked perfectly.

Hope that helps...

1QUICK85
02-16-2004, 07:49 PM
Thanks for the reply, I did not know it was just the weather striping off of were the hood closes. I should probably do that, plus it makes it look better too. $5 well spent.

Nick

Be4u
10-01-2004, 09:12 PM
I'm getting my fans ready to put in my car, Could I remove the tab on top and on bottom? (see pic/yellow arrows)

What about the bracket on the top drivers side. I can remove that to right?

gn85
10-02-2004, 02:11 AM
I didn't see this thread until after I installed my fans. When I get a chance, I'm gonna put the hood insulation (can trunk insulation be used as well?) and seal that up better. I think it also cleans up the installation a bit more.

MoJoe
10-02-2004, 09:45 AM
I thought I'd throw in my $.02, to see what it's worth. :)

I started with all the normal tweaks, using a 4" cut-off wheel and angle grinder with a sanding disc:
- cut off all four mounting ears
- clearance the fan motor mount for the steering box

With a stock radiator, the rolled edge of the fan shroud "almost" fit between the tanks. The interference was the flat surface left over from the chopped off mounting ears. So I put in a little groove to match the contour on the rest of the edge.

The fans sit snugly between the tanks. I added some 3/8" or so peel-and-stick weatherstripping from Home Depot, to seal the fan-radiator gap, and to keep the plastic fan off the radiator core. For not driving (yet :( ), the fan stays in place. For the lower mount, the factory lower bracket with holes drilled in the shroud is my first choice. For the uppers, I will likely copy Mike's :anbet: upper brackets to A/C hose mounting stud.

Joe
... I'd post pictures, but my girlfriend has my camera somewhere in Europe.

Be4u
10-02-2004, 12:51 PM
GN85, someone just posted about using their trunk seal between the rad and fans. It was great timing that I read that. I STILL havent gotten my car back yet but when I do I'm going to put in the fans with a new trunk seal. I need to know if I can take the other two smaller tabs off 'cuz with a little work I think I can get the trunk seal to fit perfecly around the whole fan shroud. IMHO, that would kickass!

MoJoe! Whats up with you/your car? I aint heard from 'ya in a while. I even forgot to give you a rating for that GP we did. On a rating from $.01-$.10 I'd say it's a $.10. You added insite and answers!

MoJoe
10-04-2004, 05:47 PM
Robert,
Thanks for the +feedback.

The car is still under construction... just like everyone else. :) I diddled around and finally got the engine buttoned up. Just about then, then front suspension package I was looking at became available (C5 brakes). You think the normal "bolt-ons" are an oxymoron? This takes the title for having to be tweaked! All 4 wheels/tires are finally back on. :kater:

I finally settled on ESP's MAF pipe, which should arrive in the next day or two. Wiring is the next/continual project. I am pulling out the unused wiring/relays for the fan (just 2 signal wires for the Racetronics harness) and powermaster (vacuum). Once I get out of the weeds on other things (cabinet falling off the wall), I may actually get to work on the car.

Then, I am going to make my own "GNX dash". I have the AutoMeter gauges I want, and even traced up a layout. Just a matter of taking the time and cuttin metal.

Joe

Bruce
10-04-2004, 05:53 PM
GN85, someone just posted about using their trunk seal between the rad and fans. It was great timing that I read that. I STILL havent gotten my car back yet but when I do I'm going to put in the fans with a new trunk seal. I need to know if I can take the other two smaller tabs off 'cuz with a little work I think I can get the trunk seal to fit perfecly around the whole fan shroud. IMHO, that would kickass!

MoJoe! Whats up with you/your car? I aint heard from 'ya in a while. I even forgot to give you a rating for that GP we did. On a rating from $.01-$.10 I'd say it's a $.10. You added insite and answers!

This forum is stickly for things of a technical nature. If you want to chit chat, then email, or PM him.
TIA

twin 93 svt
10-04-2004, 08:11 PM
Here is a picture of a CAS radiator and twin Flexalite trim line fans.

cwelk87gn
10-04-2004, 08:25 PM
Just a little different way of attaching the fans to the radiator that I used was to go by your local parts store and buy the kit they sell to attach an external oil cooler to your radiator. These things look a little like zip ties, but they fit through the fins of your radiator and secure the fans quite nicely!