TSO or TSL legal??

[FATNAT]

I posted this on the TBs.com board but aint gettin any help. Im about to torch the frame on the buick to try and get a great big DR and W tire on the car for some local 1/8 mile junk.. IS THIS LEGAL? Im starting on it this weekend so Id like to know before I start. I dont want to change something and have it bite me in the a$$ later .(ie. turbo turned sideways) I figured this board gets more of the actual racers cruising by than the other boards.:nixweiss:

[HighPSI]

Hard to say whether it's legal for the local 1/8th mile stuff, when we don't have the rules. As for TSO legal, it was legal when it was done, but was fixed when the rules were clarified. I'm sure Billy could figure this out for you. If you need help fitting a bigger tire give me a call, I don't always respond quickly to posts.

Your are right, about where most of the racers "hang out".

[Otto J]

He was gonna copy you Cal, Be flattered he liked you way to do it:icon16:

[Ted A.]

This was legal at BPG in 04 at the TSO race.

[Joe Lubrant]

This was legal at BPG in 04 at the TSO race.

Not sure how tight or loose tech was at any of the past races on proper frame notching to rules:confused: Guess it will be tighter now.

In any event, I believe most require that the original back side of the frame must be present & intact (Not moved). Reinforcing the back side of course is permitted.

In my case we reinforced the the back side first, then cut back to the original backside (Just area needed for tire clearance) . Then faced off flat, the original front side removed & welded that back on with taper for a oem cosmetic look. Sorry don't have any pics.

Joe

PS Ted that pic doesn't look legal per rule:confused:

[buicks4speed]

10.5 Buick Limited Street??? Going to be run at GS Nationals this year and Indy.
http://www.gsnationals.com/gs_nationals_race_rules.htm

Ladder bars ok as is turbo relocation and frame notching. BUT you would have to run a true 10.5 unless you went with a drag radial or DOT slick. Unless of coarse, v-8 guys on "the can" scare you.:thinking: :icon16:

[Ted A.]

PS Ted that pic doesn't look legal per rule:confused:


I'm writing Bill a blank check along with Cal and we are going to see if we can slide it in. :arco:

[Joe Lubrant]

I'm writing Bill a blank check along with Cal and we are going to see if we can slide it in. :arco:


Guess if you can get that slid in.....might as well Back Half it Too :thinking:

Joe

[James West]

I'm writing Bill a blank check along with Cal and we are going to see if we can slide it in. :arco:


Good luck, we'll be looking at it.

Turbo Street Outlaw – TSO
Official 01-09-06

● Modifications to stock rear wheel wells allowed, mini-tubs are allowed, outer frame rails notching allowed, inner rails remain in the stock location.

[Otto J]

James will a GSCA official be present during peer tech for disputes?

[HighPSI]

Looks like Ted's gonna need James' mailing address :)

[Joe Lubrant]

Looks like Ted's gonna need James' mailing address :)

He could use PayPal..:add_wegbr

[Otto J]

James,In peer tech,Should only Driver and or Owner of the registered vehicle racing be allowed in peer tech?Last year there were problem brought up by people that were not even racers in the class.

[Ted A.]

He could use PayPal..:add_wegbr


Hahaha, that's a good one Joe. That would surely save some time and the possibility of not signing the check. :add_wegbr

[Ted A.]

Good luck, we'll be looking at it.

Turbo Street Outlaw – TSO
Official 01-09-06

● Modifications to stock rear wheel wells allowed, mini-tubs are allowed, outer frame rails notching allowed, inner rails remain in the stock location.


The outer rail is moved over to the inner rail location and the old inner rail is now considered reinforcement. :shock:

[FATNAT]

well if thats the case the one that i posted is moved in its almost not even there so I better go with the 2nd pic correct? Just want something concrete because once its cut that far how do you fix it. (Cal if this is your car.)

[Dusty Bradford]

James,In peer tech,Should only Driver and or Owner of the registered vehicle racing be allowed in peer tech?Last year there were problem brought up by people that were not even racers in the class.

It wouldn't be BG if you don't have the nut swingers protesting also. I know I would have felt left out without being ganged up on.

[Joe Lubrant]

well if thats the case the one that i posted is moved in its almost not even there so I better go with the 2nd pic correct? Just want something concrete because once its cut that far how do you fix it. (Cal if this is your car.)

Jeff not sure how much more tire clearance you need for the W's.?

If I remember correctly, cutting back to the original back side of frame, with reinforcing, we gained slightly more than 2 1/4".

Joe

[FATNAT]

I need a little if I take my spacer out it hits the frame if I leave it in its a CH from fender. Thats a big damn tire

[Otto J]

Jeff that tire will be that close on both sides if done by GSCA rules,will most likey rub when turning hard,ITs a damn snug fit

On another note,As long as the inner frame rail inthe pic is reattched in the stock place,i dont see why there will be a porblem,THe rear frame has to frame mounts that if are still stock bolted to the body it should be easy to line it back up stock,But considering Cals car doesnt look like that anymore, it wont be a problem,Ted on the other hand with the ladder bars,Godd luck getting that thru peer tech

[Ted A.]

Ted on the other hand with the ladder bars,Godd luck getting that thru peer tech


:thinking: :thinking: :thinking: :thinking: :add_wegbr


Maybe I'll put wheels on them and use them for wheelie bars then.

[HighPSI]

well if thats the case the one that i posted is moved in its almost not even there so I better go with the 2nd pic correct? Just want something concrete because once its cut that far how do you fix it. (Cal if this is your car.)

My inner frame is now my outer frame and is in the stock location. I told you before, if you need help fitting a larger tire give me a call, or better yet, climb under my car and take some pictures at BG. Sounds like it might be beyond your abilities.

[Otto J]

Jeff just curios why you would need any info on this subject. Im sure Bill A knows how to fit that tire in a GN.You must have one of those hidden agendas those Jersey guys speak of all the time.
Cal, how does it feel to be under a bus?

[FATNAT]

Otto, I need infor on this subject beacuse I just got the lanyard off that was tied around my ankles and used to drag me under a bus last year in tech.really doesnt have much to do with you just keep your trap shut in person like you usually do KEYBOARD MONKEY.I dont know about any agenda or jersey guys or WTF that means? I still dont see how you can move it so far and then move it back the exact factory location when the factory location is gone!(you guys seem to have a problem with my definition of location anway) If EVERYONE follows the rules EXACTLY as they are written there should be no problems.

I would love to call and chat Mr Hartthrob but I dont have your number feel free to call me. 410-490-8405

[Otto J]

Otto, I need infor on this subject beacuse I just got the lanyard off that was tied around my ankles and used to drag me under a bus last year in tech.
Dont understand how you feel that way you got to race right?You were deemed legal last year to race right? So there should be no lanyard tied to your ankles.

[HighPSI]

I still dont see how you can move it so far and then move it back the exact factory location when the factory location is gone!


What you see was in the factory stock location (not moved in) EXCEPT for the last 3-4 inches where the curve was bent in. From the front, over the axle and back down are all the inner frame rail IN THE STOCK LOCATION. The top, bottom, and outer frame edges have all been removed. Since the photo (years ago), the last 3-4 inches were bent back over to the stock location.

If you still can't figure this out, bring me the car and I will do it for you.

My number is on the same website you found the photo, based upon your understanding of frame notching, I'm not suprised you didn't find it. I'll make it easy for you:

321-863-2303

BTW: The third digit is a one, not the letter "I" and the next to last digit is a zero not the letter "O"

[V6gofast]

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321-863-2303

BTW: The third digit is a one, not the letter "I" and the next to last digit is a zero not the letter "O"[/QUOTE]


Now that is just plain mean do tou talk to your wife with that tone:asskickin

[Otto J]

Now that is just plain mean do tou talk to your wife with that tone:asskickin
No she talks to HIM with that tone!
He just uses it on everyone else:add_wegbr

[FATNAT]

Funny how you say I wasnt under the bus. Yeah I raced but its funny how the rules were wrote specific around my car for 06. Go Figure! Didnt see either of you speaking up to keep me in $hit your the main reason Im out. I have spent countless hours and money to build something to kick some ass and I get thrown out after one year. Give me a break. I dont know where all of this drama is coming from I could care less if the damn frame under your car is legal or not it should be if your the head of TSO. Cal I tried to call you to set something up but I couldnt find the O or the I on my phone. I need my snapper lawnmower notched cause you sure as hell aint touching my car.

[FATNAT]

Otto this ones for you. I though I told you to keep your trap shut which part did you not understand you Hartline nut swingin keyboard monkey ? This is between me and your boyfriend I am in no way looking for some threesome action. i love this $hit

[HighPSI]

Chicklet,

If you could care less about my frame, then what was the purpose of your post?

I understand your jelousy of nut swingers since you only have ONE (again, not an "I"). Your hatred of Otto (no zero's) is obvious, since his street car handed your "duct taped, big turboed, no-core support, exhaust falling off" car it's A$$ :owned:

Much like your car, this thread is going nowhere.

[V6 Power]

Why can't everybody just get along? If people have problems with each other why don't they just talk about it directly instead of beating around the bush like this thread obviously has.


Bottom line, a bunch of people share common interests and at times it seems that everybody forgets that we all have that in common.

[turbo2nr]

:rainbow:

Because this is much more fun to watch. Smack talking and bench racing are fun in the winter. What else is there to do?

[Otto J]

V6power, Most of this is done in good fun,We all know each other.
Sometimes people get touched off,But its all in good fun

[86GN1]

I dont know about any agenda or jersey guys or WTF that means?

There is a agenda in NJ and I was left out:nixweiss:

I know of no agenda or anybody crying, I guess I will have to go over to the other site and read up on some :bawling: :bawling:

[John Wilde]

Chicklet,

If you could care less about my frame, then what was the purpose of your post?

I understand your jelousy of nut swingers since you only have ONE (again, not an "I"). Your hatred of Otto (no zero's) is obvious, since his street car handed your "duct taped, big turboed, no-core support, exhaust falling off" car it's A$$ :owned:

Much like your car, this thread is going nowhere.


Ummmm WOW!

[FATNAT]

Cal did I say anything when you made a 180 in the middle of the track with your shitty tune up which cracked both of your heads. Jealous HA HA!! maybe if I was in a car show and needed every chrome cover made for a GN. A street car didnt handle me that was supposedly Ottos piece of shit race car ( that you tuned much like your own). And as far as the duct tape I didnt see your car even close to qualfying in TSO baldilocks.
P.S. HOW IS THAT FOR WOW John W.

[FATNAT]

Christ it took two days and thats the best youve got. COW

[FATNAT]

Damn Im on a roll bring it on DIPSHITS!!

[FATNAT]

one more king midas! (Sorry I mean Cow) Looks like everything you touch turns to sh*t. (your track record speaks for itself)

[John Wilde]

Cal did I say anything when you made a 180 in the middle of the track with your shitty tune up which cracked both of your heads. Jealous HA HA!! maybe if I was in a car show and needed every chrome cover made for a GN. A street car didnt handle me that was supposedly Ottos piece of shit race car ( that you tuned much like your own). And as far as the duct tape I didnt see your car even close to qualfying in TSO baldilocks.
P.S. HOW IS THAT FOR WOW John W.


What is up with all the drama?
I hope you guys are having fun and this is all a joke.

[Otto J]

Um Cal never tuned my car or even looked at the tune on my car for that matter.Tune it myself,With no piston,head gasket or plug failures.I dont have a guy with all the expierience that runs 7s tuning my car.But thats why it will never run within a half second of your.My car is a street car, was driven all over CT to hang out on pump fuel and ran 10.00 on pump fuel also.And Cals track record?He didqualify last year for TSO He wasnt second slowest right in front of me. He has run damn near your best time using drag radials and a 76 turbo, Not Big Slicks with a 47-88 T5 turbo with a Tin wing,NOW, Ill go hang up my pom poms for the evening

[86GN1]

Damn Im on a roll bring it on DIPSHITS!!


Don't you work for Bill, Great vendor relations with Buick members:confused:

The way I see it, Cal's car speaks for itself and he is a outstanding vendor. Maybe fax him your resume.

[V6 Power]

I can't believe with all this hatred, why anybody goes to any events to race, especially these guys that race in the same class. :thinking:


I can't wait to bring the video camera to the tech lines at Bowling Green. :mog:

[HighPSI]

Uniball,
About time you reached down and grabbed a pair, too bad they weren't your own! Keep Duct taping parts on your gutted race car and perhaps one day it will go as fast as mine has. The only accomplishment you have, is the TSO car with the most parts to fall off. :sux2bu:
Bring your leper car to BG and we'll see if you finally have enough parts to beat my heavy old street car, which is built, tuned, driven, and paid for all by myself.

[FATNAT]

Aw this is all in good fun I cant wait to see all you guys:arco:

[Otto J]

I miss you Jeff

[HighPSI]

Jeff truly is the "King of Smack Talking". :beer:
I have had several calls asking if we were serious. I always laugh and say How serious can it be when Jeff's involved. Get busy notching that frame and I'll see you guys in BG.