hot air intercoolers

[roosterconn]

Hi I was wondering if anybody has any pics of thier intercooler set up. I was thinking about buying an intercooler off ebay and making my own and I need some ideas of how to connect every thing. Any thing would help.

[roosterconn]

Hi I was wondering if anybody has any pics of thier intercooler set up. I was thinking about buying an intercooler off ebay and making my own and I need some ideas of how to connect every thing. Any thing would help.
could any one at least tell me if you turn the compressor housing which would make sense to me, and can you connect the intercooler pipe to the thing that connects the turbo to the intake.(not sure what its called)

[Bryan C.]

Yes, you need to reclock the turbo so the compressor outlet is facing toward the front of the car. There should be an adaptor to attach the piping to the intake.

[roosterconn]

Yes, you need to reclock the turbo so the compressor outlet is facing toward the front of the car. There should be an adaptor to attach the piping to the intake.
Is there anything I need to do in order to reclock the turbo or do I just loosen the bolts and turn it.

[SoCal GN]

If I remember correctly, there are 3 bolts that you loosen to reclock the turbo. I found it easier to remove the turbo first.

The Spearco kit I got for my 84 (waaaay back in the day) had about 6 FEET of plumbing to connect!

[roosterconn]

does any one have an adaptor for the intake for sale.

[85 ttypewh1]

I do, the mounting tab needs to be welded back on though. $40 shipped.

[roosterconn]

where in texas are you from and could you post some pics

[85 ttypewh1]

I am in mansfield, south DFW area. I am on vacation til the 13th so i will post pics when i get home. Thanks
Greg

[85 ttypewh1]

I emailed you a pic. Thanks
Greg

[highboost]

I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF WELDING MY I/C PIPES IN BUT WHEN IM DONE I CAN POST YOU SOME PICKS :beer:

[roosterconn]

Awesome that would help me out alot. I just bought a intercooler from my friend it is a 31x12x3 "it is huge". I also got a universal piping kit it has various bends and couplers. I think it will work.

[DARRELLTHOMAS]

The title for post cracks me up " HOT AIR " intercooler, I thought you guys pride yourselves on being non-intercooled TR's.

[Bryan C.]

The title for post cracks me up " HOT AIR " intercooler, I thought you guys pride yourselves on being non-intercooled TR's.

My plan is 11.99 without an intercooler. 1.5 seconds to go.:arco: I may have to change the turbo and injectors.

[nick]

The title for post cracks me up " HOT AIR " intercooler, I thought you guys pride yourselves on being non-intercooled TR's.
Why do you even bother to post in here? Are you trying to make some statement or what? newsflash, no one cares.

[85 ttypewh1]

The title for post cracks me up " HOT AIR " intercooler, I thought you guys pride yourselves on being non-intercooled TR's.

I pride myself by intercooling a hot air making it faster than a stock i/c car and still having over $5k left.:add_wegbr

[85 ttypewh1]

here you go. http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7795
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7796

[DARRELLTHOMAS]

Why do you even bother to post in here? Are you trying to make some statement or what? newsflash, no one cares.
Read the post, it was a simple question without anything negative stated? You obviously care by your response. Oh by the way:frech:

[DARRELLTHOMAS]

My plan is 11.99 without an intercooler. 1.5 seconds to go.:arco: I may have to change the turbo and injectors.
Bryan sounds great, goodluck.

[Bryan C.]

Thanks Darrell. I have always liked being the underdog.

[DARRELLTHOMAS]

Thanks Darrell. I have always liked being the underdog.
When your the underdog and you come out on top, it feels so much better :beer:

[Bryan C.]

here you go. http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7795
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7796

Looks like a nice setup.

[Bryan C.]

When your the underdog and you come out on top, it feels so much better :beer:

Yes, it does!

[nick]

Read the post, it was a simple question without anything negative stated? You obviously care by your response. Oh by the way:frech:

you stated how it made you laugh that a hotair guy was inquiring about intercoolers, inferring that that "we" have so much pride at being hot air owners we should not even bother.

:add_wegbr

[DARRELLTHOMAS]

Most guys/gals with non-intercooled cars like to mod their cars to go fast without an intercoolers for bragging rights over the intercooled cars. I think the intercooler is a definite advantage, so if a non intercooled car out runs me then they earned it. Good tuning, combo, etc. I have had both and I enjoy all turbo regals. But if you add an intercooler to a "hot air" car, then it is no longer a "hot air" car, your an intercooled car. :thinking:

[roosterconn]

It is still a hot air car but with an aftermarket intercooler that was made for the hot air set up. Thats why I named the thread hot air intercoolers because it is an intercooler made for the hot air cars.

[roosterconn]

Ok I got the incooler hooked up and now my car does not want to idle when I first start it. It will surge. If you hold the gas to 2000rpm it will eventually idle. I had thrown a code for the throttle position sensor before the intercooler but I dont know if that could be the problem or not. I had to use one bolt in the middle hole of the wastegate to hold it on not sure if thats the problem either.

84 Gn stock turbo, bigger injectors, bigger fuel pump, flowmaster exaust, red armstrong chip

[85 ttypewh1]

When mine is cold i have to just barely touch the gas to open the plate a little and it starts and idles great. If i dont touch the gas it wont idle and if it does, it does like crap.

[roosterconn]

I just replaced the throttle position sensor and it seems to idle a little better. I think it maybe just the fact that it is a stock turbo and the air has to travel so much further than it use to. But once it does idle it is really fast I can tell a huge difference from when it was non intercooled.

[Bryan C.]

You might want to go through the iac reset procedure. That may help.

[skostur79]

post some pic please

hows the driveablity too??


thanks

[roosterconn]

You might want to go through the iac reset procedure. That may help.

what is the iac reset procedure?

[roosterconn]

post some pic please

hows the driveablity too??


thanks

I will try to post some pics as soon as I can. The driveability is fine except I keep on blowing off intercooler piping but I almost have all of that fixed. Other than that it's fine.

[Bryan C.]

what is the iac reset procedure?

Check here http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/faq/IACreset.html or here http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/faq/IACresetscan.html

[roosterconn]

ok got all of the hoses fixed, but now when I boost up above 12lbs it starts to buck and jump almost like it's over boosting but my knock guage does not move. I was thinking it may be a fuel related issue and if so which way do you turn the regulator for more and less gas. is it clock wise for more and counter for less? any help would be great.

[Bryan C.]

I was thinking it may be a fuel related issue and if so which way do you turn the regulator for more and less gas. is it clock wise for more and counter for less? any help would be great.

You are correct sir!

[roosterconn]

Tried the IAC reset thing and my car would not even idle to do adjust the screw. I'm thinking it has something to do with the TPS but I'm not sure. I got it to run fine for about ten minutes. All I did was put some pressure on the TPS connector and the car ran fine for that ten minutes. When I left my car for a while and came back and started it it would not idle at all. The only time it will run is when I hold the gas down and keep it revved at 2000rpm and when I lift my foot it drops down to about 500 and then tries to die and jumps up to 2200 then back down and dies. Anything will help. I have two codes thrown a code 24 and code 32.

[roosterconn]

some one please help me I want to drive my car again!!!!

[SLOW_85]

CODE 24

Trouble Code 24 indicates that the Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) is reporting an abnormally low reading when other sensors indicate it should be higher.

The conditions for setting this code are:

* no Code 33 or 34 (MAF Error) is present, and
* the vehicle speed signal indicates < 4 MPH and
* engine speed is between 1400 and 4400 RPM, and
* during a low load condition (LV8 between 50 and 99), and
* transmission not in Park or Neutral, and
* all conditions met for more than 20 seconds


If the code was logged when the vehicle was in motion, the following should be checked:

1) Defective or corroded VSS connections
2) Maladjusted TPS sensor. The TPS should read about 0.42 volts at closed throttle
3) Defective speedometer cable
4) Bad or missing speedo drive gear(s) in tail shaft housing of the transmission
5) Defective VSS
6) Defective ECM

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CODE 32

Trouble Code 32 indicates that the Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) valve diaphragm is not where the ECM expects it to be. The ECM controls the diaphragm with a Pulse-Width Modulated (PWM) waveform. The EGR has a vacuum bleed solenoid that adjusts the vacuum applied to the EGR valve based on this pulse width. If there is sufficient vacuum at the EGR valve, a switch closes to send a signal back to the ECM. The absence of this signal is the bases for code 32.

The conditions for setting this code are:

* no vacuum to EGR (switch open), and
* Code 33 or 34 (MAF error) is not present, and
* engine running and LV8 is less than 100, and
* coolant temperature is > 118 deg F (48 deg C), and
* the EGR solenoid duty cycle is < 65%, and
* the above conditions are met for more than 25 seconds


Typical causes for this code include:

1) Faulty EGR valve-to-ECM connection
2) Plugged EGR passages and/or sticking EGR valve
3) Defective EGR valve
4) Defective ECM

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[paint it black]

Any Pics Yet? Is the install worth it or should i leave well enough alone?

[roosterconn]

I think the install was worth it I can feel the added horsepower but make sure you get a good piping kit with the braided silicone couplers. I will try to get some pics as soon as I can. my internet is down so I have to use a friends.

[paint it black]

until you get pics on what all did you do? did you have to move the throttle body? after twisting the turbo does the linkages still line up? did you change anything else to help with the install? i saw you needed a bracket, was that stock or a modification? was there enough room to get the pipe between the turbo and the intake hole? were the pipes custom bent or was it a kit? did you use a stock intercooler or a front mount? if you could answer any of these i would be greatfull.

[roosterconn]

no you do not have to move the throttle body all you have to do is disconnect the tb from the turbo and turn the turbo till it faces the front and then the tb should line up to the studs on the turbo with out turning the tb. I needed the adaptor for the piping to the intake. I think the guy I bought it from got it from a kit he had. I ran the pipes around the air intake by the master cylender and to the intake. no I bought them off ebay it was a universal kit and I would not recommend them I would find someone with a kit or get them custom bent. I used a front mount I got from a friend that has a turbo jetta. If you have any more questions I would be happy to answer them asap.

[turbo6x2]

The title for post cracks me up " HOT AIR " intercooler, I thought you guys pride yourselves on being non-intercooled TR's.My personal vote would be no intercooler, not necessary in my book. However if you want one go for it. I don't even run alcohol and run 11.50's, it can be done.

[crazy_nate]

How did you get rid of the codes, and get it tuned properly?

[roosterconn]

I am still working on that I am slowly getting it narrowed down by adjusting the fuel.

[1QUICK85]

I was just reading your post and I remember my last 1 1/2 of trouble shooting and trying to figure out what the H#LL is going on. I had a badly burnt chip, throttle body leak, bad angle on the wastegate, air filter getting sucked shut, blew a headgasket(before swap, didn't know it), and the list goes on. :tantrum2: (Of course I think I just mad the mistake of throwing to much on at once.)


I have a question ---> If my car is intercooled, why is it that I was allowed to put it on the hot-air registery. I still consider it a hot-air. People just pick different things to do to their cars. Some people have a 87 motor in theirs and its on the registry. :nixweiss: Other people run a hot air with bigger everything, high boost levels and a tank of race gas. I think as long as it was built before '86 its a HOT AIR, no questions asked. And no matter whats done to it, its still a Buick Grand National. :rockwoot:

Anyways, how is your car coming along, any updates?
-Nick.:D

[Men in Black]

I think you might have to move the throttle body so it is on the boosted side similar to the 86/87's. Mine has that done and runs and idles fine.