57# High Z's on a stock car?

[Be4u]

57# High Z's on a stock car? Will that be ok?

I've installed a hotwired 340 and AFPR.

TIA!

[HairDrier]

They should work fine if you get a good chip for them. Eric Stage I (turbotweak.com) should be able to make one. Jay Carter could probably hook you up also

[JayC]

Yea, as long as you cut them back in the chip, they should be fine. I got lots of guys running around with MSD 50s in high 12 cars and they do fine.

The nice thing about going big initially is that as you add parts, you can just change the chip to take advantage of it.

[Be4u]

Just what I wanted to hear! I've got a chip form Eric@turbotweak. Thank you both!

[HairDrier]

Just what I wanted to hear! I've got a chip form Eric@turbotweak. Thank you both!

Its a chip specifically for 57# injectors right?

[Razor]

Just what I wanted to hear! I've got a chip form Eric@turbotweak. Thank you both!

One thing to consider are the tried and true 50's for injectors. I only mention this becuase the 50lb injector programs are plentiful, and no questions asked every chip maker has them figured .

Plus they will typically supply enough fuel for whatever you'll plan on doing.

And yes, the chip must go along with injectors...

HTH

[Be4u]

The chip is for a stock. I told Eric my car was stock and he sent me a chip. He said that he will redo the chip as I change things for one year. I figure as I change things I could send him the chip and scanmaster results with the changes. Hoping he could program it the. I'm probably wrong but thats what I'm thinking.

I want to build a 10sec car that never sees tens. A totally reliable 11.5 sec car. I dont want to buy injectors twice. I've read that 50's are barely safe. I want 11.5's 'cuz 11.49 you need a rollbar...right?

My heads wont be p&p untill I blow a gasket or untill I have no other mods.

I'm a serious beginner. I've never worked on cars b4.

[Pronto]

I have a question down this vein. The correct chip will tone down the injectors to work with a stock turbo, does it need to be reburned if you upgrade to larger turbo? Also does having the larger injectors effect the normal driving ie out of boost gas mileage? Obviously with the larger injectors/turbo the WOT mileage will go down the tubes but the fun factor should be through the roof.

[gnsrule]

The chip is for a stock.

You'll obviously need a chip programed for the injectors your running. As you upgrade your turbo, exhaust, i/c, etc..,then tell the burner what you have and I'm sure they'll set you up right. Theres many good burners out there, Jay Carter and Joe Lubrant are 2 that come to mind. I have used em both and both work good.
Hope this helps

[Razor]

I'm a serious beginner. I've never worked on cars b4.

I love enthusiasm.. but to where you want to get, 50's or 57's no matter will do it.

Ever heard one must crawl before one can run. Your probably better off learning to race and tune your car with stock boost levels.. and then after you've mastered that, go and increase the power. Its all bout seat time. The more time you have tweaking, prodding, adjusting things where your safe.. the more appreciation you will have for the faster cars. Things happen really fast when you make power on a V6.. the lower the boost the more forgiving being out of tune you can be. At high boost.. man ..1,2 boom goes the headgasket. you probably should be looking 2 years from now for a faster ride.. the car will make you an ASE before you get there.

This is how its done. If you dont have the experience, tool, equipment, etc.. learn the steps one small step at a time. Building a 10 second motor to run 11's with no experience = recipe for 1000's of dollars up in smoke. Not to sway you from building a fast car, just trying to show you how to keep money in your pocket and have a fast car. Leave the heads, cam, TB, intake, IC alone for now. get the injectors.. 50's or 57's. I personally am old fashioned.. I like the 50's becuase they idle, drive, perform just like the stockers and no wheels are getting reinvented. Thats just me. I'm running mid 11's with 50lb injectors at 70-80 Percent duty cycle. Will go 10's on those same injectors pretty soon.

Glad your intersted in making your car fast. Now take it to the track and learn how to maximize what you have... aka "seat time". :yessir:

[mike85gn]

Solid post there, Razor! I agree with the "seat time" thing wholeheartedly, going fast takes parts AND experience. Grab some 50# injectors, and get ahold of Eric at www.turbotweak.com for a chip. Use the scanbastard and tune that thing for 17 psi or so, then start working your way up.

[Be4u]

Razor, that was the best post I've ever read. You took me to school. Thanx man! :beerglass That phrase "crawl b4 you walk" is one of my favorite quotes. I say it all the time.

I totally understood that post. My car is my pride and joy. I'm a sissy when It comes to doing anything to it. I dont want to wreck it. I dont have tools or anything. My livingroom is my garage. I buy stuff for the car and look at the stuff like a museum. Track? I'm scared. Never been to one before. Wouldnt know what to do or what to look for. Trust me, I'd be a lost puppy in a zoo.

I just got my scanmaster(delivery problems) yesterday. I'm totally lost but I'm researching. I think I have to adjust my tps. And I'm learning about my 02's. Thats as far as I've gotten. I bought a new adj. wastegate about 6 months ago. I'll wait a little longer before I install it.

I talked to a couple of guys that live near me. When I can meet up with them I'm sure they can shed some light on some stuff. Thanx again. You kinda hit me like a ton of bricks.

[mgmshar]

I totally agree with all of your thoughts on getting lots of seat time before trying to crack into the mid-11's. However, I don't understand why everyone seems to have a thing against the 57's. I've been running them, and I love 'em. Idle, drive, and perform very well. They were very easy to tune. Plus, you won't need bigger injectors until the day you consider buying girdle or a stage block. If somebody is hell-bent on buying big injectors, I would highly recommend the 57's. Helk, it might not be a bad idea to buy those and a fuel pump before doing anything else. At the very least, there won't be any tuning problems due to static injectors.

But, again, learning how to tune at safe boost levels is much, much more important. If you haven't bought the correct tools (Scanmaster, DirectScan, service manual, etc.) and taken the time to learn, then I would highly, highly suggest that you spend your money there, first and foremost.

My $0.02

[Mike Licht]

There are NO injectors that idle or drive better than another. There are chips or computer tunes that do. With the right chip ANY injector will run and drive like stock. There is no such thing as a "non-linear" injector either, they are ALL non-linear and have to be programmed differently. The 50's got popular because they were the biggest injector that could be run without mods to the computer. Now the 57 is king and soon I suspect we will have something bigger than those. Does anyone remember way back when when MSD come out with the 50's and NO ONE could make them run as good as what we were using at that time? Lots of folks said at that time they were junk. Once we figured them out now they are the current "darlings". Right now IMO the 57 id the best choice we have great chips for them and they run as good as anything out there. We are already testing other, bigger, high Z stuff
Mike Licht

[Be4u]

Ok, so, 57#'s it is. Just what I wanted but wasnt sure I could use. I'll send Eric my chip.

Ok, my tps is at 30...I was reading last night(very tired) and that is way low. If it wasnt friggin' rainin' I'd attempt to up it. I found a page that gives step by step. It said something about the IAC too. Gotta reread.

Thanx for the help.

[HairDrier]

Ok, so, 57#'s it is. Just what I wanted but wasnt sure I could use. I'll send Eric my chip.

Ok, my tps is at 30...I was reading last night(very tired) and that is way low. If it wasnt friggin' rainin' I'd attempt to up it. I found a page that gives step by step. It said something about the IAC too. Gotta reread.

Thanx for the help.

http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/maintenance/maintpage.html

That page has TPS and IAC adj. You must do both together

[gnsrule]

I want to build a 10sec car that never sees tens. A totally reliable 11.5 sec car. I dont want to buy injectors twice. I've read that 50's are barely safe. I want 11.5's 'cuz 11.49 you need a rollbar...right?

My heads wont be p&p untill I blow a gasket or untill I have no other mods.

I'm a serious beginner. I've never worked on cars b4.

If thats the case, I'd seriously recomend doing your homework gathering the wealth of knowlage at :
http://www.gnttype.org/ and at this point going over the spring cleaning page thougholy (sp).
http://www.gnttype.org/maint/basics.html

[Be4u]

Thanks HD. Thats the page I used. Very detailed. I even feel like I'll have no problems with the step by step stuff. You made it easy to find. I saved the tps anc iac pages though, but that page has more stuff.

gnsrule, I promise I've been reading...so much in fact that It's got me confuised with some stuff. I'm figuring it out slowly but surley. I did the spring cleaning...except for the trans. My trans has a history of great maintnance. Dont get me wrong though...I'm not going to neglect my trans. I'm going to hire someone to do it for me.

[KenB WE$]

Just put in 57#, a chip for them, and the AFPR in the past weeks
No seat time yet, this weekend hopefully

Motor is essentially bone stock otherwise (best I know, though the adjustable wastegate...), LT1 MAF, MAF Translator and a K&N don't really count.

Have done all basic maintenance, just need to go thru setting the TPS (WOT is only 3.9 per Turbolink) and that other spring cleaning sensor reset/adj. Then learn what Tlink is telling me. Oooh I am sooo ignorant. Oh yeah, the trans is junk, but thats another $$$$

Hopefully, I 'll think its (57#'s and chip) the greatest thing since sliced bread and will update early next week.

KenB

[Roger]

11.99 you need a rollbar.

Another local GN owner recently exchanged Nittos for slicks & runs alky & 93 instead of 116. His time 1st time out was a legal 12.44 instead of low 11s. He said it's nice to drive to the track & run without spending better part of an hour changing to slicks & putting in 116.

[WLDWST]

It's nice to race at our local track. If it wasn't for the snow drifts, I would be there now. It was switched over to IHRA a few years ago from NHRA. The IHRA Rocky Mountain Nationals are held here. You can run as fast as 11.50 with no bar.

[KenB WE$]

The car has had other gremlins, and still has more.

Regarding 57#s on an essentially stock car with appropriate chip=
NO PROBLEMS

Car idled fine and drove better than it has since I've had it (only 1 year)
Have to digest data from Turbolink and eliminate my gremlins.

Later

[Be4u]

Thanks Ken. SOunds good to me. Thanx for the update, find them little buggers and keep me updated some more!

[daledammit]

I'm looking at new injectors too. My fuel pressure drops to 0 overnight and 20lbs in about an hour. Is there any way to determine for sure if its the injectors or the regulator?

[Mike Licht]

If you have a Walbro pump my money in on the check valve in the pump
Mike

[daledammit]

I do have an old Walbro 255. Is there any way to prove its the check valve or can I install a checkvalve inline? I thought it might be the injectors because it runs burn your eyes rich on startup, then clears up some. I replaced the 160* with a 180* because it wouldn't go into closed loop. Fixed all my exhaust leaks. Those two helped alot but didn't eliminate it. I have access to a Direct Scan but no list of normal values. If someone could point me to a page or link for 86-87 values I would greatly appreciate it because I'm tired of searching. It's not so rich I can't live with it but it's my wifes daily driver right now till I can find her a new car. Am I right in assuming the goal scan values will be pretty much the same regardless of engine/turbo/injector combination? Thanks

[Be4u]

Huh? 10 characters

[mike85gn]

I don't think there is any problem with the 57's, but I haven't seen them really pushed to the limit yet. Should be enough fuel for mid 10's though, no? Are they as linear as the 50's?

[KenMosher]

Don't know about the 57s per se, but we have a new 60# injector that has been used in a lot of Mercury Racing applications (as well as some ULEV apps).

All I can say is that they are kick BUTT! I've now seen them in several motors on the dyno from 200HP to 920HP (Pat Musi tested a set!)

They are incredibly controllable at low pulse widths and can deliver serious fuel ... up to almost 90# if you up the fuel pressure (they will retain a good spray pattern up to 6 BAR).

I'm putting a set in my car after seeing the dyno stuff.

More info here:

https://www.turbo-link.com:443/tlink/details/catL107.html

If someone wanted to put together a group purchase (need 40+ injectors) we can probably work a special price ...

[Be4u]

If you think it would be cool to use these injectors I'd be interested. Price is a factor. If it's a reasonable price I'll buy. I'll need to know by monday next week otherwise the money will be spent on stocks and I'd have to wait two weeks before i'll have the money again.

We need 40 injectors or 40 sets?

Whats the value thing that guy was talking about?

[Bruce]

Don't know about the 57s per se, but we have a new 60# injector that has been used in a lot of Mercury Racing applications (as well as some ULEV apps).
All I can say is that they are kick BUTT! I've now seen them in several motors on the dyno from 200HP to 920HP (Pat Musi tested a set!)
They are incredibly controllable at low pulse widths and can deliver serious fuel ... up to almost 90# if you up the fuel pressure (they will retain a good spray pattern up to 6 BAR).


Just to let a little secret out of the bag.
Shhhh, just don't tell anyone, OK guys?.

The Accleration Enrichment is controlled thru pulse width.
The larger the injector the shorter the AE pulse width.
Why?.
Since it's a larger squirt, so it doesn't have to be as long.

*So what*, you say.

When you crack the gas, there is a delay between when the ecm sees the TPS and MAF/MAP changes, filters them, and calculates the new PW. While not very long, there is a delay. Having more fuel delivered quicker makes for better response, AND less chance for Tip-In Preignition. I have alot of time in working out the cal for the 55s I was running, and the 60s are noticebly better. I was at first kinda worried about the 60 not being peak and holds, but that's turned out to be a complete non issue.

[mike85gn]

Awesome guys! Those sound like great injectors, and it looks like I can just order them up when I order my turbolink upgrade package. Doesn't get any better than one-stop shopping.

How special a price are we talking here? If 7 guys are in for a set, that will be more than enough. Who is burning chips for them?

[daledammit]

By values I meant a goal reference range for scan tool readings. What your maf should be showing, what your O2 cross counts should be, blm's, etc.. I have the use of a direct scan setup but if you don't know what the readings should be you don't if yours are wright or wrong.

[LikeMy6]

50,s wont hurt. I am using 57's in a fully stock motor with bolt ons only. Using a fast system at wot there at 83% Duty cycle.

[HairDrier]

50,s wont hurt. I am using 57's in a fully stock motor with bolt ons only. Using a fast system at wot there at 83% Duty cycle.

How fast are you going in the 1/4at 83%? 120mph? 125?

[KenMosher]

I

We need 40 injectors or 40 sets?

40 injectors ... about 7 sets of 6 :arco:

Somebody's gotta organize it and collect the money to make the "buy" all at once...

[mike85gn]

40 injectors ... about 7 sets of 6 :arco:

Somebody's gotta organize it and collect the money to make the "buy" all at once...

But who can do the chips for the new 60's? It would be a bit of a concern to order up some sweet new injectors and not have a chipmaker to work with. Maybe we should try and persuade a chipmaker to buy a set as well...

[WLDWST]

Eric Marshall says he does on his site. http://www.turbotweak.com/

I would be in on a GP.

[OKBuickGN]

Man, how far we've come. I remember when I replaced the old stock injectors on my car for MSD 50's years ago. I got a chip for them but the car was running a little rough. Several people told me that the 50's were way too big for my combo and they were obviously my problem. Almost pulled them but luckily decided to do a little troublshooting and found I had an o2 sensor that was acting crazy. The 50's with the right chip work excellent with a totally stock car, I don't know why anyone would buy anything smaller if they needed to upgrade. :daz:

[Eric Marshall]

But who can do the chips for the new 60's? It would be a bit of a concern to order up some sweet new injectors and not have a chipmaker to work with. Maybe we should try and persuade a chipmaker to buy a set as well...
No persuading necessary. They're in my car! The 60's are running very nicely, as do the 57's. I think its great we have these hi-imp options now.

[Be4u]

I did a little research on the injectors and found out that there not flowmatched. I have an idea of what flowmatched means. Is that ok or not? I dont remember the site I read but that was the only complainte.

http://www.smokemup.com has some math stuff for injectors.

http://www.mototron.com/prod_minifuel_long.htm link to injector site

https://www.turbo-link.com sells them...long body or short?

[Be4u]

40 injectors ... about 7 sets of 6 :arco:

Somebody's gotta organize it and collect the money to make the "buy" all at once...

Jes cus imm frum miss'ippi don meen I kent spull..oar devide oar minues. Wil tan seats uf ate werk? :joint: :zahn:

Anyways, lol, I would love to head this off. Problem is, nobody knows me. I've sold stuff to WLDWST before and have perfect feedback on ebay. I wouldnt make a profit off y'all either. If the injectors cost $300 for a set plus priority shipping via usps than thats what you'd pay. To make it really safe for everyone, I could make "special" listings on ebay in which you could "buy it now" for 1 cent. I can then send a paypal invoice. I'll take care of the ebay and paypal fees. (sometimes it costs money to gain a reputation).

I'll make some calls today and update this thread. We can take it from there.
I'll also give y'all my ebay ID and references.

Lets find out about that flowmatched question too. Do we need the long injectors or the short?

[KenMosher]

I did a little research on the injectors and found out that there not flowmatched. I have an idea of what flowmatched means. Is that ok or not? I dont remember the site I read but that was the only complainte.

http://www.smokemup.com has some math stuff for injectors.

http://www.mototron.com/prod_minifuel_long.htm link to injector site

https://www.turbo-link.com sells them...long body or short?

Huh?:fragez:

These injectors are from the Mercury racing program ... these aren't the Siemens injectors! They share the "pencil" style body, but these are made to MotoTron's specs and used in a lot of high perf marine stuff. I doubt that what you read about were the same injectors? We just started releasing them out to the general public in the last month or so.

Also, a sample of 5000 (I have the spreadsheet with all the serial numbers and flow test results... it's a HUGE file!) was tested with a maximum variance of a less 3% of the reference standard and the majority were within 2% or better! That's pretty awesome!

Eric Marshall is making chips and I'll bet Bob Bailey/Mike Licht offer a line of chips very shortly. Steve Yaklin is working on a thumbwheel chip too...

The long body injector is what we need for the Buicks.... also the link to the MotoTron site basically ends up at the TurboLink site (we process the order on our site and they ship out of Oshkosh). If you go to the http://www.appauto.com (http://www.turbo-link.com) and order with your credit card, you'll get them sooner (eliminates one step).

If you guys get a group purchase together, then contact ME directly so I can manually process the order.

If we can get 40+ injectors in a group we can drop the price to $55 ... this will be A ONE TIME GOOD DEAL for the Buick guys. The order needs to be placed no later than February 23rd (I know that's not much time, but the dealer program will be up and running in March, so we won't be able to do this beyond that). Shipping will be added to the order total (depending on how many injectors, it'll probably be $10-20)

[Be4u]

http://www.t6p.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1262

[Snorman]

Any idea on what HP level/ET these will support?
i.e. will they support a 3,700lb. car into the 126-128mph range?
Thanks.
Sean.

[KenMosher]

Any idea on what HP level/ET these will support?
i.e. will they support a 3,700lb. car into the 126-128mph range?
Thanks.
Sean.
If you up the fuel pressure, they will flow up to about 85#/hr at 85-90% duty cycle. I've seen them run on an 840 HP BBC and Pat Musi got 920 HP out of them on a customer's BBC. I've now seen them run on a 200HP marine engine (SBC based), a 520 HP LS1 based motor, several 8100 based marine motors (about 650 HP detuned), and a nasty SBF that was putting out about 750 HP (big cam and compression).

They seem to be VERY controallable at low pulse widths, provide crisp throttle response (due to the controllability that Bruce mentions above, so we haven't had to use as much AE in the cals), and are kind of "adjustable" with fuel pressure.

[mike85gn]

So, in other words they supply enough fuel to run close to single digits, no?

[Snorman]

Any fitment issues with the stock rails/intake?
Sean.

[HairDrier]

Ken I am really thinking about getting in on this deal, because that is a ****ing AWESOME price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (excuse my French)

Please give me your honest opinion:
I am running blue tops now and dont plan on going faster then high 11's. I wont get the fix to go faster then that because there is no way I am putting the cash in this car to run tens. It is more for show and handling than go.

Would I gain anything by getting these injectors??????? If I sell my blue tops I am looking at about $200 invested, plus a chip. How much more drivable will they be than my blue tops?

[KenMosher]

Ken I am really thinking about getting in on this deal, because that is a ****ing AWESOME price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (excuse my French)

Please give me your honest opinion:
I am running blue tops now and dont plan on going faster then high 11's. I wont get the fix to go faster then that because there is no way I am putting the cash in this car to run tens. It is more for show and handling than go.

Would I gain anything by getting these injectors??????? If I sell my blue tops I am looking at about $200 invested, plus a chip. How much more drivable will they be than my blue tops?

My honest opinion ... if the 36lb'ers are going high 11s and you have good driveability, I don't see any direct benefit from these injectors. With the proper calibration, these injectors are the shit, but I don't think you'll see a dramatic difference out of the chute.

What you WILL gain is extra head room in the fuel dept. ... you will be able to take advantage of that "killer air day" at the track and bust off that mid 11 without any fear of high fuel pressures or running out of fuel. ... and there aren't any downsides to the bigger injectors, since they still drive nice. If you have any inclination to go just a bit faster than high 11s, then this would be your "insurance". If you are happy with low 12s/high 11s then I really don't know if it'd be worth the time and the $130 difference in price)

[HairDrier]

Thanks for the honest answer Ken, I appreciate it. The more I think about it the more I want these injectors since I will be done forever, and the injectors will never even be breathing hard.

hmmmm

[Mike Licht]

Uping the pressure will work fine on a N/A car and these are great injecotrs but lets face it, The pressure thing is NOT an option for a turbo car. There simply is no fuel system that will supply 90 or 100 PSI of steady fuel pressure at the type of delivery needed for the HP we are talking about. If your base is 60 PSi and you run 30PSI boost that = 90PSI fuel pressure.

Mike

[KenMosher]

Uping the pressure will work fine on a N/A car and these are great injecotrs but lets face it, The pressure thing is NOT an option for a turbo car. There simply is no fuel system that will supply 90 or 100 PSI of steady fuel pressure at the type of delivery needed for the HP we are talking about. If your base is 60 PSi and you run 30PSI boost that = 90PSI fuel pressure.

Mike

Actually, it's still only 60 PSI of pressure DIFFERENTIAL across the injector... the question becomes can your pump handle the pressure and maintain volume (which I believe is your point?) For example, the 920 HP BBC had a HUGE Aeromotive pump, 1/2" fuel line, and a high flow fuel filter. The 840HP BBC actually was having pulsation problems in the fuel system (you could see it in the data) and they ended up adding another pump.

This actually gets easier when you run a returnless system, since you have better control over the pump and delivery (as long as you run pulsator dampers on the fuel rails) like they do in some of the marine applications.

The injector is actually stressed more in a N/A application since there's no pressure (other than barometric) in the manifold. The differential is greater across the injector then.

BTW, these injectors were rated by Mercury up to 500kPa (absolute) pressure... which is probably conservative, since they try to "fudge" for warranty purposes.

These are great injectors ... they aren't the new "flux capacitor" or made out of double throw down cobalt unobtanium :add_wegbr but we can benefit from the huge volumes that Mercury gets being an OEM and the serious $$$ they spent in testing and specifications. I'm just "skimming" some out of the pile so we can all go fast and have some fun with the stock ECM! :racer:

[granitestategn]

Snorman asked about any fitment issues with the stock fuel rails and intake. Is it fair to assume no response = no problems? Don't mean to be pushy but the clock is ticking......tick-tock tick-tock...... I may be interested in a set too but, since they're recently introduced, I want to make sure they're what I want. With the great performance of these larger high Z injectors, there may be some good deals out there on "almost-new" 50's. You know....some guys got to have the biggest and best.

[Be4u]

I just called Ken and he said that there a direct replacement.

weve got two for sures and four maybes. Including you granitestategn

[KenMosher]

I just called Ken and he said that there a direct replacement.

weve got two for sures and four maybes. Including you granitestategn
Yep, direct replacement ... here's a engineering drawing of them that I found in our docs.

[granitestategn]

Thanks for the quick replies! Sounds like all I'd need is the injectors and a chip. Oh yeah, and money. I've got a basically stock engine also. My stock injectors are kinda iffy. Some new squirters might perk the old nag up. Tax refund is coming. I think injectors and a chip will be it for this year, though. New turbo will have to wait a year.

[Bruce]

The 60 PPH injectors bolt in without a hitch.

Use a double pumper, if you have ANY guestions about having enough fuel.

I'm running like 2.2-2.4 msec idle PW and they're dead on.

I wound up spending more time on the start-up routine to get them perfect. But, that's just me.

For whatever reason(s), they are a ton more well mannered in my car then the 55s were. With the normal warning, your milage may vary... And I had more time in working out the 55s then the 60.

I'm impressed, and that don't happen too often.

[Be4u]

Hey, could you copy your post to the injector gp thread? http://www.t6p.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1262

Sounds like you really like the injectors. It would do the thread good to hear what another mod has to say.

[Be4u]

I just found out that I can get 100 people in on this injector group purchase. Seven is the minium. I've got 6 confirmed.

[Be4u]

Last call for the GP. I'm going to collect the money tomorrow night. We have six buyers, I can cover the 7th set.

[Be4u]

Payment for the injectors was sent to Ken about 30 minutes ago. 3-4 days via FedEx :rock: I love FedEx!!!

Thanks to everyone!

[Be4u]

I got the injectors in today. Mailed today via priority.

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

sounds like these new 60# injectors are working great-
i really wished i had seen this thread sooner to get in on the group purchase, a local buick guy here needs to upgrade from stock injectors to the 57s or 60s

if anyone reading this can let me know where to get them for a good deal/ best price shipped i would appreciate it- he needs them sometime this month, thanks
BW

[WLDWST]

I think Mike Licht has an introductory special on these. I think I read that somewhere. I am not sure though. You could ask him.

[Be4u]

I think Mike Licht has an introductory special on these. I think I read that somewhere. I am not sure though. You could ask him.

Your right. I kinda feel stupid for putting all the effort and worry into this. We could have gotten them from Mike(http://www.fullthrottlespeed.com) and BAM! Done. Wouldnt have to put y'all through the stress of buying through a stranger. Mikes going to get good advertising from this I'm sure. If were happy with them more people will buy. I've already directed four people to Mike. But you know, you gotta jump or sometimes you'll miss out. Too bad we missed nothin':), this time.

[WLDWST]

No problem here. It is appreciated.

[granitestategn]

Same here. I appreciate the effort. If nothing else, we made a few online friends. It's all good.:marchmell

[Mike Licht]

Robert, I am sure the guys appreciate the effort you put in. Thanks for the plug, we can always use help :) As of today we have injectors in stock and are shipping them daily
Mike Licht