Ravens alky kit now or later?

[Be4u]

My car has the fuel system upreaded with a hotwired340. No new injecters yet. I want to increase my boost to 17#'s. I've got an adjustable wastegate, scantool and autometer boost gauge. Should my next buy be an alky kit? Is Razor having a sale on the $480 progressive kits? If I send my chip to Eric@turbotweak for upgrading can I still use my stock chip with no problems?

Also...I heard that 1# of boost is 30HP. True?
TIA!!!

[stevemon]

I wouldn't think you'd have any trouble running 17 psi on any car that was mechanically sound. Alky is the best bang for the buck you can do on a TR and no chip upgrade is needed from my experience. 1 psi is more equal to 10HP but it would vary per your combo.

[Be4u]

So, right now, using my scantool, I should be able to raise my boost to 17. When I add alky I can raise it to 20?

Also...sayin my cars pretty much stock...I add an alky kit, would 57#highZ injectors be too much? I eventually want to drive a very reliable low 11 sec car. (meaning i'm building a 10 car that will never see tens) I could put 57's on a stock car right? Just turn the pressure down?

Also, Steve, I bought my car from OK. Drove it home to Biloxi. A few months ago I saw a guy driving next to me and his friend said "this guy's got four of them". Were you in that car?

[Razor]

Thanks first of all for the interest :)

For alcohol injection to work, the rest of the fuel system has to be working as should. And I would recommend you have first of all a scantool to monitor knock. This is essential before any power upgrade takes place. Fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, chip, and a car thats in a great state of tune to support the HP is key.

The factory stock chip is a 26degree chip, it will knock and ping at higher boost levels, unless octane is added.. via alcohol, fuel, etc..

My suggestion if you have stock injectors, is get the chip issue squared away and make sure the car runs clean at 16 PSI boost without any KR. Once you get to this level, then start thinking alky. Cars that have bad injectors, or issues typically wont run the 16 PSI cleanly. I dont recommend using alcohol to patch a fuel system problem. Injectors are fuel system :)

Only way you can tell if it runs cleanly is with a scantool..

If I can help.. let me know. Pretty easy stuff.. but the foundation for building power must be sound.

17 PSI is nothing on a stock motor. mid 20's+ are way possible given the correct support.. turbo, injectors, tune..

Stock turbo can be taken to 23-24 PSI but depends on a lot of factors.. typically condition of parts and such. Cars are now approaching 20 years old.

On the HP question..15 per PSI approx. My car rwhp is about 480(traps 118), stock is 250. I run 27 PSI top achieve that MPH, so that works to 17.5. You do heads and cam, the power increases since airflow increases, then the same 480 can be accomplished at 20 PSI. See its hard to get an exact every PSI= 'x' HP.

Cheers :D

[SMC]

Razor: Good insight and advice!
Only thing I could disagree with was the 26 degree stock timing thing?
I though it was around 20 degrees?
Most of us look at a 26 degree chip as RACE.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[stevemon]

I just posted an Alky article in the Library that may be worthwhile reading.

Steve

As for the 17 psi, no, not without about 95 octane. I was meaning 17 psi & alky would be no problem.
I only own two turbo cars. If I had 4 there's no way I could have retired.
Where was the car located when you saw it and whose car did you buy here in Ok?

[Be4u]

Thanks Steve, I checked that out. Trying to build a race car when you know nothing about cars is hard. I'm one lost mofo. I dont know what to do. I'm scared to wreck my car with my ignorance. Dangit!

My car was brought to OK from SC. Garry Stinnett owned the car. I bought the car from OK and brought it to MS. The car full of guys was here in Biloxi. I'd like to talk to Garry. He traded the GN in for another car.

Thanx SMC and Raven...After I get my car tuned 100% I'll decide which kit will work best for me. Steve got me scared. As I should be.

[stevemon]

Oh, I remember now. Stinnet is the son of Gary Sr & we went to HS together. Small world...
I also think the 26º is incorrect but it's a non-issue since there are few cars out there using the OEM prom anymore. Kind of like "what does the stock cat on a TR look like"? (Nobody has seen one in years so we never find out!) :D

[Razor]

Oh, I remember now. Stinnet is the son of Gary Sr & we went to HS together. Small world...
I also think the 26º is incorrect but it's a non-issue since there are few cars out there using the OEM prom anymore. Kind of like "what does the stock cat on a TR look like"? (Nobody has seen one in years so we never find out!) :D

Yup..ding ding.. stock TTA chip is 26 degrees rpm ranges 4400,4800, load 192-256 tables :elefant: GN timing is 22.1 same locations pretty much. maybe this is why TTA's are faster than GN's :anbet:

This is why aftermarket chips like Reds93, Thrasher92's etc... street chips were 18-20 degree so one could run higher boost on the same gas. :marchmell

Fuel pressure, outside temps, IC, carbon deposits, general engine tune, etc play a role as to how much boost one can run on limited octane.

BE4U, learn to tune on the 93 octane fuel.. once you've got that 100%, move up on the boost and play with alky. :)

[Be4u]

I got 'ya Raven. I'm going to do that. I gotta crawl b4 I walk. I'm going to learn to tune this comming week.

Steve, for real? your not kiddin'? Do you ever talk to Garry? Or is it Gary...it says Garry on the title sheet thing I got.

[stevemon]

Gary Stinnett is from Woodward OK where I went to HS. Maybe this Garry is his nephew? I know Gary had relatives in Lindsey, Ok b/c I met Garys' Uncle at a car show when he came up to me and told me that HE also owned a GN. (The man was about 70 yrs old!) That was about 8 yrs ago though and I haven't heard from any of them since then. Sorry no more help than that.

[19gn87]

Help, Steve...what exactly is meant by (The man was about 70 yrs old!) :add_twink

[stevemon]

Oops! :zahn: Did I step on some old toes there? Sorry. :yessir: No age limit to the high performance hobby and I do know a couple of 70 + year racers.
Really though you'd have had to have been there. The farmers coveralls he was wearing caught me off guard and I was expecting to hear a story of when he had a souped up stovebolt six rather than hearing about his 15K mile Grand National. :thrashi:

[Be4u]

Dang dude, I think my car was sold to Gary in 94 or 95. I might have the car your talking about. Mine has low miles. Very nice condition and lots of maintance reciepts. The guy that I bought my car from said he got it from an old guy that was afraid of the car...or at least thats how I took it. Lol, a little off topic but interesting. I'm glad you posted in my thread!

How about running high Z 57#'s in my stock car?

[stevemon]

As you said, tech section would be a better place for an answer to your injector question.
I did recall one other thing about the Stinnett family though. The older man had a brother named Coy Stinnett who, in the '60s, held an NHRA record with his A Gas or AA GAs 40 Willys coupe.

[Be4u]

Ok, I'll put that in the tech area.

I'm really interested in the history of my car now. A NHRA record holder in the family? Thats good to know. I cant thank you enuf for the info!

[19gn87]

Oops! :zahn: Did I step on some old toes there? Sorry. :yessir: No age limit to the high performance hobby and I do know a couple of 70 + year racers.
Really though you'd have had to have been there. The farmers coveralls he was wearing caught me off guard and I was expecting to hear a story of when he had a souped up stovebolt six rather than hearing about his 15K mile Grand National. :thrashi:

Steve...toes are still ok :zahn: I was just concerned you were gonna make me put my car on the market...Whew, :happy: feel better now.